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01/09/06 03:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by EZ RYDER1:Thank you for that nice little emoticon GA, which so politely says what you think of my view. Let me return the courtesy.
Quote:Originally posted by EZ RYDER1:First off, that little nose twist had Joxer yelling with pain. Rather abusive, especially when he just presented Gabrielle with a gift. Second, she's done worse that that to him. A lot worse. I just thought this particular act was cold considering what he'd just done for her.
Quote:Originally posted by EZ RYDER1:Rough housing and abuse are 2 different things. Some of the things done to Joxer are out right abuse imo..
Quote:Originally posted by EZ RYDER1:True, Xena got some shots in too. Gabrielle just seemed to do it more.
01/09/06 05:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by LucyLFan:Maybe it is worse when Gabrielle does something wrong toward him because we know that Joxer loves her. More so after he admits to her that he loves her. Her attitude did change. She was really irritable towards him in 'Animal Attraction' and again quite nasty to him in 'Eternal Bonds'. Gabrielle even admits that.
Quote: From Chakram:Joxer: "It's OK. It's OK. It's just-- you don't have to say anything. You don't _have_ to say anything. You don't have to say a word. It's just-- I-- I, um-- I wanted to, uh-- just let you know. [Clears throat] I just wanted-- to let you know. No strings."[/b]
Quote:From Animal Attraction:Gabrielle: "Joxer gave me one of those looks again. Xena, when he said he loved me-- he said that he didn't expect anything from me. Clearly, he does. I'm trying to be sensitive. Do you have any advi
Quote:From Eternal Bonds:Joxer: "Us. How come there was never an `us,' Gabrielle?"Gabrielle: "Why-- why do people love the people that they do? I don't-- I don't kn
Quote:From Eternal Bonds:Joxer: "Why didn't you love me, Gabrielle?"Gabrielle: "I do love you. It's just not the way that you want it-- I guess. I wish I did. Joxer-- lie still, OK? Xena-- thank the gods. Did you get to the tree?"
01/10/06 08:22 PM
Quote:Sorry but it was expressing how ridiculous I find calling a nose twist abuse is. IMO it cheapens the word and those that have suffered through real physical abuse to call Gabrielle`s actions abusive.
Quote:Please provide some more examples of these worse things Gabrielle supposedly did to Joxer.
Quote:Well I`m glad you acknowledge that there is a difference between the two. However IMO they`re relationship was not abusive.
Quote:Well lets see we have Xena hitting Joxer moments after meeting him in the first episode he appears in. Then as I already mentioned the chakram incident, as well as many other moments when Xena treated him in a manner some here describe as abuse. Yet all we ever hear is how mean Gabrielle is too him.
Quote:I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Joxer was in love with Gabrielle and she didn`t return his feelings that many single Gabrielle out.
Quote:And then there`s Joxer`s behavor. Right from the very first episode we have him attempting to kidnap Gabrielle
Quote:as well the Forget Me Not attempt to take advantage of a vulnerable Gabrielle.
Quote:Would some be so quick to make excuses and forgive if it was someone beside Joxer doing these exact same actions
01/14/06 11:51 PM
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