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06/01/17 09:53 PM
Murderingharpie in post 14:
------- Brunhilda obviously took it too far and behaved like a crazy woman.
Hey! I thought she came across as loving and protective.
I think the only thing about the Ring trilogy that displeased me was that Odin didn't re-incorporate Brunhilda.
06/01/17 11:27 PM
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06/02/17 10:08 AM
Luvthatxena wrote:Hey Placebo!
You want to know why we were so "ticked off" at what Stewart said? He said "...will continue to be attracted to men." In other words, they will never be a couple so don't get your hopes up. He wrote a whole episode around this: Ulysses. It's never gonna happen, Gabrielle, subtexters. Finally see two women you can relate to? Sorry. You can see as much as you want, we need you for ratings, but don't expect us to explicitly give it to you. In other words, your lives have no meaning, no value, no validity. Same old story. We were starving for some representation and they didn't give us any. Now they call that qu*er-baiting. I will never again get invested in a show that only gives me ambiguity. I'm with you, Placebo. Wynonna Earp is only a week away. Emily Andras doesn't do subtext. I can't wait.
06/02/17 11:03 AM
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06/02/17 08:11 PM
Dammit, I can not recall who was Cara's lover.
And, was Cara the tall blonde?
06/02/17 11:36 PM
Dammit, I can not recall who was Cara's lover.And, was Cara the tall blonde?
06/04/17 06:46 AM
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07/10/17 02:59 PM
Luvthatxena wrote:In all fairness, Steve Sears (a one-time producer) had a much different stance and wrote some very subtextual episodes, stating that he always wrote 'Xena in love with Gabrielle' so it was definitely not across the board, and I'm sure Liz Friedman did not object to their pairing either. The way it usually goes is: the producers are worried about the studios and the studios are terrified of losing advertisers. Of course, this is less of an issue now with networks like the CW portraying s/s couples with regularity. Still, advertisers seem to be old white guys who think back with nostalgia on the days resembling Mad Men and have somehow maintained this mindset into the 21st century. Look how slow they've been to depict biracial, Asian and Hispanic couples. Back in Xena's day, they were terrified of losing viewers in certain areas.
Of course we think of it as 'moral cowardice' now but this is just how very slow progress is in Hollywood. They aren't willing to take that risk. They kept the show mainstream to play it safe and not to "allienate" anyone. I would think that if they allienated viewers who were intolerant of those who didn't live exactly the way they did, then so be it. But such was not the outlook of the average producer at that time. Integrity didn't usually go with the job. Joss Whedon did indeed depict a f/f couple with Willow and Tara in Season 3, Willow a main character and Buffy's best friend. But in a Whoosh! interview that I recall, Rob Tapert is talking about this type of relationship as best depicted with your 'C and D characters,' like Whedon did on Buffy. Only Willow was hardly a 'C or D character.' Course she wasn't the title character, either. You likely will not see a main character depicted as a lesbian anytime soon on a major series, but I'm optimistic it will happen in the not-so-distant future. Bottom line is, in the mid 90's, Tapert had a dilemma on his hands with two lead actresses who had a mind-blowing amount of chemistry in every scene they were in. And making them a couple wasn't an option he was willing to explore.
Agreed, this particular episode was quite the leap forward in terms of sexuality. Sex is something a great number of people are extremely hung up about, for lack of a better phrase, and for them, being gay is all about who you happen to be in bed with. So as a gay viewer, I was not surprised that they didn't go there regarding their feelings toward each other to that point, yet was hopeful to the end we would get some clarification in our favor and with it, some positive representation. All based on what we had seen or was implied. But that didn't happen. (If you have no intention of clarifying, don't even go there in the first place.) This sexual paranoia was so extreme that after Season 2, X/G weren't allowed to even kiss in a chaste manner. Pretty much all kissing was off the table. Like kissing is just a sexual thing. We certainly put our trust in the wrong people, those who wanted to please everyone and ended up pleasing almost no one with a finale that still leaves a bitter taste for so many.
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