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callistotc |
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For me, I would say it did not come full circle.
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panda2oo5 |
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Definately....Xena finally got the redemption she was seeking in SOTP....That was the ultimate goal of the show from Day 1...The very first time we see Xena(in her show not herc) she is thinking of her past and that she wants to atone). It did become more about Xena and Gabrielle's relationship, but the main thing was the Xena changing into a better person and realizing "the final, the good, the right thing to do." In the end, that was sacrificing herself and atoning for all the horrific things she had done...
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xenawp7706 |
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I agree with you
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Batrochides |
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oooooooooooo
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Batrochides |
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Circle of Life...not.
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Gabfan23 |
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Did it come full circle? For Gabrielle maybe, she wanted to be like Xena, and she was in so many ways. But for Xena-did the release of the 40,000 souls mean she had paid her debt to society and so could now die? Did she have a number of people she should help and then BANG she should die now? Xena needed to redeem herself for as long as she could, and yes in the context of the episode she had to stay dead-she wouldn't condemm the souls, but it was poorly thought out. What happens if Gab gets to Egypt and someone dies who would have been saved had Xena been there? What if it's Gab and thus more lives lost? That's the very high price of her redemption-other people's lives.TPTB effectively said she's done enough, she's redeemed she can die, which I thought was in opposite of the series. I dislike FIN, I have watched it once never again. It leaves enough wiggle-room for it not to be Xena's fault and then placed the blame at her. TPTB wanted her to "die" twice. Once to show what a good warrior she was and the other for the greater good and to have tear-jerking scene so it felt false throughout. I'm sure the "Wiggle room" was left for the possibility of another series/special/movie at a later date. For me the series should have ended with them dying together, or walking/riding off into the sunset like Hercules. Of all the series I have ever watched I am struggling to think of one with a worse ending. Full circle seems like a get out clause, so they could do what they wanted.
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xShell |
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No, no, no. Killing off the main character that we all love to pieces does not make for a good series finale. Bad ptb! Riding off into the sunset may be corny, but atleast it would have made majority of the fans happy. Unlike FIN.
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Sarpedon1 |
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I suppose in another way it did too. At the end of FIN II Gabrielle wasn't the annoying one, it was Xena with her "gotta stay dead" idea who was annoying. After all Gabrielle did to get to where she could pour the ashes in, for Xena to appear and stop her for "the greater good" was pretty annoying to me.
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Batrochides |
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**spinout**
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TheEpTalk |
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Yes ----
Full circle defined as "a series ending where it began" was exactly what FIN achieved. I respectfully disagree FIN was about Xena getting redemption. In fact, the only claims of redemption isnt by Xena at all rather Akemi and the belief of the 40,000 souls. Therefore, Xena did not sacrafice her life thinking to gain redemption rather she put 40,000 souls above herself even above Gabrielle's plea she come back. Sins of the Past set forth more than just Xena overcoming the thought of suicide and/or giving up when she saw Gabrielle's village under attack...but I remind what Xena heard Gabrielle say that caught Xena's attention to Gabrielle: "Take me! Let the others go!" --- Here's a young, innocent girl offering herself as a sacrafice basically to save many others. Thats exactly what Xena did in FIN that brought her full circle. She sacraficed herself to save others, to save those souls, a sacrafice that wasn't a trade for her own redemption but because it was the "right thing to do." Xena didn't weigh if it was right those souls believed they had to be avenged; not even if it was right she had to stay dead so they could walk in grace rather the main point being they would be lost forever unless she gave up her own life for their eternal peace. What was the right thing to do ? Well... it was a choice in my view Xena made of putting others, 40,000 souls above herself. A heroic sacrafice of her life because it allowed those souls eternal peace just as if Xena had said, ---take me and let those souls go ! This series began like a written novel -the narration "in a time of turmoil" -episodes that were chapters of a book, basically chapters on scrolls. The chapters told of a journey, the travels of Xena and Gabrielle and like any good well-written book there is a beginning, adventurous middle chapters and there should be an end. So yes --for 6 years I read this book enjoying the dramatic chapters, the comedic chapters and the many many great characters Xena and Gabrielle encountered along the way. I remember Xena set out first without Gabrielle after being reinspired by Gabrielle but planning to continue wearing her warrior outfit, deciding to go home hoping to "get it right." Luckily Gabrielle followed and was persistant to join Xena, telling Lila --"I'm going to be a warrior, like her." So in FIN when Xena credited learning from Gabrielle, the final and right thing to do it was the very same thing that captured Xena's attention to Gabrielle offering to sacrafice herself to save others in Sins of The Past. The key word being one's choice to offer to sacrafice their life in order to put others above all else. Oh yea ---that's full circle for both Xena and Gabrielle. Let's just say not only full circle but role reversal --Gabrielle becomes the warrior and Xena is who steps up saying -take me, let them go. . ![]() |
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xenawp7706 |
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I agree with you
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360
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Some could see it as full circle. I see it as a bad ending.
Poor ingredients can make a sour tasteing cake. The setting was wrong, the timing was wrong (there have been better season enders with better use of death) and also the characters were messed up. I liked Gabrielle as a bard, hated her as a tattooed warrior and I liked Xena as alive rather than dead. A happy ending in Greece or a more beffiting death (in Greece) is what I was looking for. The mix of Samuri and Ghost busters didn't appeal to me one bit. Michael Hurst would have done a much better ending IMHO. |
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Absolutely not!!!!
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Heck NO! I was in therapy for the next year because of the final episode. ::laughs::
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I remember seeing the first airing of FIN and going - what? that's it??? So no, definitely not full circle. Sure, it was humbling to see Xena be the martyr
and sacrifice herself for 40,000 souls, but did she really have to die to do that? If so, couldn't it have been in Greece? The location and the way it was
done seemed so wrong. It didn't fit.
Ultimately I think the show Xena:Warrior Princess is really Gabrielle: Battling Bard. It was Gabrielle's story all along. We saw her whole transformation from bard to warrior over the 6 seasons. It was full circle for Gabrielle I think, in that she matched Xena's skills, but not for Xena - she had her life cut short. If they gave us another season we might have seen Greece again and Gabrielle not so empty from losing the love of her life. Some Xenites say that if Xena had to die then Gabrielle should've gone down with her. It makes sense on the one hand - neither one has to grieve about the loss of their love. On the other hand, it doesn't help the innocents. Without Gabrielle there would be no-one to fight for the greater good. As Xena said in FIN "I'll always be with you Gabrielle". She will - in heart and fighting skill. It's like Gabrielle carries on Xena's legacy. Those are my thoughts anyway... "If only you could see the you that is a part of me, maybe you could see inside yourself." - Casey
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