So now, instead of me HOPING that Xena somehow came back, I know! And I feel so much better for it.
Unless I'm totally missing some major details here....
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Cyrene |
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Hi. I ended up watching this ep for some reason and I just picked up on something "Alti" said to the fans at the beginning of the ep. She said she
needed "2 strands of hair from the Temple of the Scrolls" in order to make the clones. We all know Gabs burnt Xena's body in FIN, and I'd
assume she wouldn't have picked up any leftover hairs that were on the pyre!! So this makes me think that Xena MUST have been resurrected later on. And
eventually they both died, (happy, old women) and fulfilled Gab's wish of them being buried together. And in the Temple of the Scrolls! Wonder what that
was like.....
So now, instead of me HOPING that Xena somehow came back, I know! And I feel so much better for it. Unless I'm totally missing some major details here.... xx |
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![]() ![]() GOOD JOB!!! I will drink to that. ![]() ![]() Xena came to life after FIN. Seriously, you catch that really
good. Bravo.
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FOREVER LUCY LAWLESS!!!
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Gabfan23 |
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I'll accept that reasoning. I'm sure Xena came back after FIN. She did I tell you!!
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Candideyes |
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Cyrene, I think you just explained a YAXI away! Even Ares in his lovesick puppy days I don't think would've kept strands of Xena's hair as
souvenirs.
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I believe if there had been another episode or a movie, we would have seen her brought back. Since we did not, we have to assume some things based on what we know. For example, during the span of Xena's life that we did see, we know that Ares was still around, he was not trapped in the Tomb of the Scrolls. Ares could only be released by a descendant of Xena, using the chakram to strike the Eye of Hephaestus. While this does not prove that Xena was the one who trapped him in the tomb, it is a reasonable assumption. Also, the broken chakram found in the tomb was the original. We know Xena fused it into the new one, so it would seem to be possible that she had something to do with the old chakram being in the tomb. What kept Ares in the tomb was the door formed from metal made by Hephaestus and the Eye of Hephaestus. Xena had access to the eye in Fist Full of Dinars and Keys to the Kingdom. Did she maybe take it for her own use if needed? She killed Hephaestus, so he could not have made any more, so the one in the tomb had to be one that already existed. The hairs of Xena and Gabrielle used for the clones were found in the tomb, so both had to have been there at some point. We know they were reincarnated, but does the reincarnated bodies contain the original Xena and Gabrielle dna or that of the host bodies? The host bodies having their own dna would make more sense as the soul is what is being reincarnated and I assume it contains no dna. So, we can assume the hairs containing the dna were from the original Xena and Gabrielle. Thus, dead Xena would have come back and at some point, she, with Gabrielle at her side were in the tomb, left the broken chakram and the scrolls. How's this for a hypothetical? Xena comes back from the dead(however you wish it). She and Gabrielle lived many years, happy and continuing the Greater Good. Ares and Aphrodite being the only Olympia Gods left, Ares decided he must be King of the World and continue his evil ways of the past. Xena knows only she can stop him, but she does not have any way to kill him. She comes up with the plan to use the eye to trap him in the tomb. She and Gabrielle lure him there and a tremendous battle ensues among the three. Mel's words upon entering the tomb area..."Wow! Some great battle was fought here. I don't know why, but I get the feeling that this was the site of some titanic struggle between-- good and evil. The battle ended with the chakram broken and both Xena and Gabrielle killed by Ares. He buries them there. Gabrielle knowing they might not survive had taken her scrolls there. So, this would explain how Ares was trapped in the tomb, the broken chakram was found in the tomb, the scrolls were found in the tomb and the hairs for the clones were found in the tomb. So, cyrene So now, instead of me HOPING that Xena somehow came back, I know! Yes, she did.
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Yes, she did.Alright Jackie, I didn't follow half of that but for a minute there I thought you were going to totally disprove her theory and I was gonna hunt ya down!!! Take care
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Candideyes wrote: Well read it again, it's a good theory. Disprove her theory, oh please. I brought her back myself in Subtext Central. I don't change my mind just because I change forums. I believe, I believe!!!!!!! |
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Read my fan fiction "Waking up With the Conqueror" and you will see that FIN never really happened. Well it happened but what was done was also undone. Take care
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jacque58 |
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Read my fan fiction "Waking up With the Conqueror" and you will see that FIN never really happened. Well it happened but what was done was also undoneI'll see your" it happened but what was done was also undone" and raise you a bring her back first and then keep writing and it didn't happen at all. |
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excellent observation. Never caught that. The story of that would make a great movie.
"I would sooner die in your arms than live without you in mine."
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I never notice little things like that. Good spot! The story of that would definitely make a great movie. It's great to see through your theory Cyrene,
that Xena got resurrected and Gabrielle got her soulmate back!
"If only you could see the you that is a part of me, maybe you could see inside yourself." - Casey
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yeah great explanation jacque. there would be great movie with using those details.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone! I was just watching it and it hit me, I was like "ehh where did Xena's hair come from?" Like I said, unless
Gabby decided to keep a couple of strands because she knew they would invent cloning in around 3000 years....
Jacque, I love your theory, but I don't know, would Ares really kill Xena? Of course he's gone back to his bad old ways, but I'm sure he would try and tempt her with the promise of power, but he DOES love her, so he says so do you think he could really bring himself to do it? Hmmmm.... |
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Cyrene and jacque58,good investigating and theorys.I always wondered how they got the hair but i didn't really put much thought to it.As for the
information on The Xena Scrolls and Send in the Clones,there's so much to the storys that I agree with you guys it would make a great movie.Hey it might be
able to have a sequel to explain it all.How did the Temple of the Scroll come about? we know it must have been after FIN.But what I would like to know is how
and why was the Temple of the Scrolls built.I also wonder how many years did it take for Gabby to bring Xena back and how many years after did this showdown
happen when they trapped Ares.I always thought the Xena writers screwed up by taping The Xena Scrolls before Send in the Clones or FIN.We should ask this
question to Mr.Tapert so he can explain.
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Good theory. I read something in the Subtext Virtual Season, where Ares stills Xena's chackram to bring her back to the dark side, and he goes to Egypt to
do some kind of ritual to separate the 2 chackrams. Xena and Gabrielle search for the Eye of Eaphestus and they get it from an egiptian deity, who took it from
Greece(if I remember). Well I am not telling the all thing, but at the end Xena and Gabrielle trap Ares in the Tumb, and one of the two chackrams (the dark
one) breaks in half.
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Would Ares have killed Xena willfully or maliciously, I don't think so. But when he realized her plan to entomb him, he would have fought to stop her. They fought all through the series even though she had no chance to kill him as long as he was a god. Xena would have probably been older and lost some of her edge, so it is very possible that Ares could have killed her without actually meaning to. It is also possible that the chakram broke, that Xena was accidentally killed and that Gabrielle would have been trapped in the tomb until she died. Since I believe Scrolls was just a throw-away clip show, it has no real relation to past or future shows. Thus, it left many gaps that were never explained. I read somewhere that the tomb was a dormant volcano. As was shown in more than one ep, gods had problems with volcanoes and lava flows. Another theory of mine would be.......Xena killed the Olympian Gods, but there were still lessor gods remaining. Since Zeus was dead, Ares declared himself King of the Gods. He did not garner the respect that Zeus did, so he needed anything he could devise in the event he had problems with any of the lessor gods. I believe Ares constructed the tomb himself. Point....when Mel, Janice and Jacques first entered the tomb, Mel read an inscription on the wall which said, 'All ye who enter beware the rock of the god of war.' Immediately after they came in there was a rockslide. Who would have put such an inscription? Ares? Could he have constructed the tomb to be used for gods who gave him problems? Ares said," For thousands of years, my spirit has been trapped here in this tomb, waiting for a certain someone to claim the chakram and make it whole. Now, I am flesh again, and it feels so good!" What does it mean that his spirit was trapped? He was in the coffin and when the chakram was fused together he came out and made the statement about being whole and having his godhood. Another possible reason to suspect that Xena died and was buried in the tomb. Mel was Xena's descendent, she was not a reincarnation of Xena. When Mel reverted to Xena to fight Ares, it was Xena's spirit in her. Where did the spirit come from if not from the tomb? How many years to bring Xena back and how long till the entrapment of Ares? No way to really guess at this except to consider the ages of Xena and Gabrielle. Had they been in their 70's or 80's would they have been going after Ares? Not likely.
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Cyrene |
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I think that it would have probably been a few years before Gabrielle brought her back. She knew that Xena's wish was to stay dead to save the 40,000 souls
and she would have honoured it even though she hated it. It must have taken something special to bring her back, I'm sure Gabrielle would not have brought
her back because she missed her, she must have NEEDED her. So a circumstance arose where she HAD to bring her back, no other option. Or maybe even Ares brought
her back, I'm sure he couldn't care less about the condemned souls.
I think when the Xena Scrolls was shot, they weren't thinking about how they were going to end the show, or where it was going to go. This ep seemed like a good, fun caper for the second season then forgotten about, really explaining nothing. The chakram is a perfect example. They had no idea at the time that they would make an ep about the chakram and Xena would forge a new one. I think if they make a film, then this ep must play a part in it. We need to see her resurrection, the involvement of Ares, the broken Chakram, how they all came to be there. Also, the fate of the 40 000 souls would need to be explained and how this will affect Xena and the Greater Good. But I don't know if I like the thought of poor Gabs being trapped in a tomb waiting to die!
I don't have a problem with the characters dying at the end of a life well lived. But AFIN was unjustifiable. Blah. I think by the time Gabrielle resurrects Xena she is in her prime warrior wise. She is probably at the stage Xena was at when they met. But not feared as Xena was, everyone knows she fights for the greater good and has kindness and compassion on her side. |
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Wow you guys!!! My head is spinning with all the theories!!!!!!
If there is something in this life that you want to do, grab hold of the reins and take yourself for a ride, because if you don't you may miss out on some of the best experiences life has to offer! |
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cyrene wrote:
But I don't know if I like the thought of poor Gabs being trapped in a tomb waiting to die!Ok, take your pick........ 1. Ares killed Xena unintentionally. Gab was so angry, she made such an attack on Ares, he had to kill her too. He buried both in the tomb. 2. Xena had been resurrected. She and Gab lived long happy lives. They were old when they heard of Ares' intent to dominate the world. They decided, what would probably be their last act of The Greater Good, to stop him. They succeeded in trapping him in the tomb, but died while doing it. 3. Xena and Gab were old. They knew they might not be able to stop Ares. They agreed that if one was killed, the other would kill themselves as they would not be seperated again. They each took with them one of those little green bottles of poison. One was killed, the other took the poison. Take your pick. 4. Last and final conclusion......Xena and Gabrielle were the ones who trapped Ares in the tomb. Both died by whatever means. Ares buried them in the tomb. 5. None of the above. Don't have a clue!!!
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Oh so many ways to die! Haha! I like to think they died at the same time so I'll go for option number 2! Long and happy lives then a warrior's death.
I'm making the film in my head right now.... |
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cyrene.......now for your new assignment. Xena Scrolls was set in either 1940 or 1942. Ares appeared in Deja Vu and Soul Possession which I don't think is dated, but is possibly late 80's to middle 90's. In Deja Vu he was making reference to Y2K. How did he get out? Did a descendent of Xena know the secret combination for the entrance Jan, Mel, Jacques and the others used to get in? If you recall in the Scrolls when Mel/Xena threw the chakram to close the door, it broke again. Did that descendent fuse the chakram back together and free Ares. Did that descendent recover the hairs which were sold to that weirdo who sold them to Alexis/Alti? Another mystery, wasn't the chakram that was in the case with the hairs, the new one? Xena could have had descendents from both Eve and her brother, Toris. So, who went to the tomb between the 40's and say 1995 and freed Ares? My brain hurts!!! jackie |
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